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	<title>Comments on: San Marcos CISD to restart random drug tests for student athletes, others</title>
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		<title>By: Winchester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was a student at SMHS, many many years ago, I would have had no problem with a random drug test; so long as the Principal or School Board President held the cup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a student at SMHS, many many years ago, I would have had no problem with a random drug test; so long as the Principal or School Board President held the cup.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://smmercury.com/2012/07/18/san-marcos-cisd-to-restart-random-drug-tests-for-student-athletes-others/#comment-392214</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Rodney, I am strongly opposed to random testing.  If the school has concrete evidence a reason to believe a student is under the influence, and can articulate those beliefs, by all means, test away, and make the penalties for failing a drug test severe.  If you don&#039;t have that evidence, leave the kids alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Rodney, I am strongly opposed to random testing.  If the school has concrete evidence a reason to believe a student is under the influence, and can articulate those beliefs, by all means, test away, and make the penalties for failing a drug test severe.  If you don&#8217;t have that evidence, leave the kids alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://smmercury.com/2012/07/18/san-marcos-cisd-to-restart-random-drug-tests-for-student-athletes-others/#comment-390915</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And where do we draw the line? Kids who are suicidal are no doubt at greater risk if their parents have unsecured weapons in their house. Should the school district start doing random checks of the houses of students who seem depressed? 

How about kids who are dangerously overweight? There is overwhelming evidence that this is setting them up for all sorts of problems that will haunt them the rest of their lives. Should the school district start mandating diets for any overweight UIL participants? Its all about protecting children, right, and helping them achieve their potential?

And LK is correct, alcohol is by far the most pervasive and dangerous substance in our public schools and this test does nothing to touch that, rendering the whole thing kind of pointless on a lot of levels. Well, except steering our kids toward a more socially accepted if just as harmful vice. Once again, let me state, if something happens AT SCHOOL it is appropriate for the school to act...the school grounds are their proper domain and if the school authorities are not acting accordingly (such as letting teachers drink on school trips, although I am skeptical how often this happens) then you have a whole other issue, an issue, once again, hardly touched by your random drug testing.

Ultimately, do we really want to send the schools through this door and out into the public? What is the school&#039;s function? Is it to make sure YOUR kid is not smoking pot (once again, if this happens at school it is an entire other issue)? Funny, I always thought of that sort of thing as a parenting responsibility. You suspect your kid is doing drugs you pay for the test yourself, don&#039;t ask the state to pick up the bill.

But, if this is such a good idea for the school to do, I propose we begin a random drug testing program for everyone in the city limits who has a drivers license (it is a privilege right?). We could just pull random names each month and send the police to their house or place of work and make them pee in a cup. Anyone who fails gets their picture pasted on a billboard on I-35 and they lose the right to drive for 45 days. As a voter and tax payer in this town I want to hold my fellow citizens to a &quot;higher level&quot; too...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And where do we draw the line? Kids who are suicidal are no doubt at greater risk if their parents have unsecured weapons in their house. Should the school district start doing random checks of the houses of students who seem depressed? </p>
<p>How about kids who are dangerously overweight? There is overwhelming evidence that this is setting them up for all sorts of problems that will haunt them the rest of their lives. Should the school district start mandating diets for any overweight UIL participants? Its all about protecting children, right, and helping them achieve their potential?</p>
<p>And LK is correct, alcohol is by far the most pervasive and dangerous substance in our public schools and this test does nothing to touch that, rendering the whole thing kind of pointless on a lot of levels. Well, except steering our kids toward a more socially accepted if just as harmful vice. Once again, let me state, if something happens AT SCHOOL it is appropriate for the school to act&#8230;the school grounds are their proper domain and if the school authorities are not acting accordingly (such as letting teachers drink on school trips, although I am skeptical how often this happens) then you have a whole other issue, an issue, once again, hardly touched by your random drug testing.</p>
<p>Ultimately, do we really want to send the schools through this door and out into the public? What is the school&#8217;s function? Is it to make sure YOUR kid is not smoking pot (once again, if this happens at school it is an entire other issue)? Funny, I always thought of that sort of thing as a parenting responsibility. You suspect your kid is doing drugs you pay for the test yourself, don&#8217;t ask the state to pick up the bill.</p>
<p>But, if this is such a good idea for the school to do, I propose we begin a random drug testing program for everyone in the city limits who has a drivers license (it is a privilege right?). We could just pull random names each month and send the police to their house or place of work and make them pee in a cup. Anyone who fails gets their picture pasted on a billboard on I-35 and they lose the right to drive for 45 days. As a voter and tax payer in this town I want to hold my fellow citizens to a &#8220;higher level&#8221; too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney van Oudekerke</title>
		<link>http://smmercury.com/2012/07/18/san-marcos-cisd-to-restart-random-drug-tests-for-student-athletes-others/#comment-390808</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney van Oudekerke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney van Oudekerke</title>
		<link>http://smmercury.com/2012/07/18/san-marcos-cisd-to-restart-random-drug-tests-for-student-athletes-others/#comment-390797</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney van Oudekerke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unless I missed something, our judicial system is (was) based on a theory of being innocent until proven guilty. Random drug testing, be it of students or airline pilots forces the person being &quot;randomly&quot; tested to prove their innocents rather than the government proving their guilt.

I have always and will continue to oppose random testing of a person for any reason. Back in my days of law enforcement, there was something called probable cause. If that exist and the government, school,or employer feels they have the probable cause to believe a person is on drugs, then go ahead a do your test, make your case and prove the target you have selected is guilty.

And for the record, I have had to submit to several random drug test while in law enforcement. I had nothing to hide then, have nothing to hide now. To me its a matter of protecting the few rights we have left in this country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless I missed something, our judicial system is (was) based on a theory of being innocent until proven guilty. Random drug testing, be it of students or airline pilots forces the person being &#8220;randomly&#8221; tested to prove their innocents rather than the government proving their guilt.</p>
<p>I have always and will continue to oppose random testing of a person for any reason. Back in my days of law enforcement, there was something called probable cause. If that exist and the government, school,or employer feels they have the probable cause to believe a person is on drugs, then go ahead a do your test, make your case and prove the target you have selected is guilty.</p>
<p>And for the record, I have had to submit to several random drug test while in law enforcement. I had nothing to hide then, have nothing to hide now. To me its a matter of protecting the few rights we have left in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: LK</title>
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		<dc:creator>LK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does the Explorers club still exist at SMHS? When I was a student there, it was widely known that the students in the Explorders club drank heavily on all the overnight camping trips. But, again, these drug tests won&#039;t catch alcohol use. 

I don&#039;t think these tests will deter drug use as much as they&#039;ll prompt students to drink instead because they know the alcohol will leave their systems in time to produce &quot;clean&quot; drug tests. Alcohol is also much easier and cheaper to get than illegal drugs: raid mom and dad&#039;s cabinets, have an older sibling or friend purchase, wait outside H-E-B and give a college kid a few bucks to purchase, go to parties at the college apartment complexes, etc. I knew people who did all of those things while I was a student at SMHS, and the majority of them were athletes and/or students in AP classes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the Explorers club still exist at SMHS? When I was a student there, it was widely known that the students in the Explorders club drank heavily on all the overnight camping trips. But, again, these drug tests won&#8217;t catch alcohol use. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think these tests will deter drug use as much as they&#8217;ll prompt students to drink instead because they know the alcohol will leave their systems in time to produce &#8220;clean&#8221; drug tests. Alcohol is also much easier and cheaper to get than illegal drugs: raid mom and dad&#8217;s cabinets, have an older sibling or friend purchase, wait outside H-E-B and give a college kid a few bucks to purchase, go to parties at the college apartment complexes, etc. I knew people who did all of those things while I was a student at SMHS, and the majority of them were athletes and/or students in AP classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://smmercury.com/2012/07/18/san-marcos-cisd-to-restart-random-drug-tests-for-student-athletes-others/#comment-390649</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When a child is forced into government schools to learn the government mandated curriculum, a safe environment should be a minimum expectation. The alcohol and drug use is not just happening on the weekends, but during school, school functions and school trips: teachers drinking alcohol in soda cups during school trips, kids smoking weed in hotel rooms during school trips, kids smoking weed on campus are just a few examples. The parents of a couple of teen boys who were involved in the recent death of one of those boys probably wish random testing had never gone away. What are the stats on the relationship of drug use to drop outs?? Drug use is not done in a vacuum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a child is forced into government schools to learn the government mandated curriculum, a safe environment should be a minimum expectation. The alcohol and drug use is not just happening on the weekends, but during school, school functions and school trips: teachers drinking alcohol in soda cups during school trips, kids smoking weed in hotel rooms during school trips, kids smoking weed on campus are just a few examples. The parents of a couple of teen boys who were involved in the recent death of one of those boys probably wish random testing had never gone away. What are the stats on the relationship of drug use to drop outs?? Drug use is not done in a vacuum.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://smmercury.com/2012/07/18/san-marcos-cisd-to-restart-random-drug-tests-for-student-athletes-others/#comment-390629</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Implementing random drug testing will virtually wipe out the SMHS basketball and football teams (as last seasons issues with drug use did to the basketball team). As the football team is already predicted to fail again this season, why not invest the money instead into life-long-valuable programs dealing with character, goal setting, self-esteem, etc.? (Have any of you heard of the program &quot;Above the Influence&quot;?) It IS possible to make it through SMHS without joining the drug/alcohol culture so prevalent throughout this town, but it&#039;s difficult. I am thrilled that the school board is finally facing the facts of rampant drug use at the junior/senior high school levels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Implementing random drug testing will virtually wipe out the SMHS basketball and football teams (as last seasons issues with drug use did to the basketball team). As the football team is already predicted to fail again this season, why not invest the money instead into life-long-valuable programs dealing with character, goal setting, self-esteem, etc.? (Have any of you heard of the program &#8220;Above the Influence&#8221;?) It IS possible to make it through SMHS without joining the drug/alcohol culture so prevalent throughout this town, but it&#8217;s difficult. I am thrilled that the school board is finally facing the facts of rampant drug use at the junior/senior high school levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://smmercury.com/2012/07/18/san-marcos-cisd-to-restart-random-drug-tests-for-student-athletes-others/#comment-390617</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about we leave the moral policing/socialization with the parents where it belongs? Now if some kid does something AT SCHOOL deal with it according to the established disciplinary rules, sure. But do we really want our school systems getting involved with whether or not a debater or point guard smokes pot on their own time over the weekend? How is this the school&#039;s responsibility?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we leave the moral policing/socialization with the parents where it belongs? Now if some kid does something AT SCHOOL deal with it according to the established disciplinary rules, sure. But do we really want our school systems getting involved with whether or not a debater or point guard smokes pot on their own time over the weekend? How is this the school&#8217;s responsibility?</p>
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		<title>By: LK</title>
		<link>http://smmercury.com/2012/07/18/san-marcos-cisd-to-restart-random-drug-tests-for-student-athletes-others/#comment-390473</link>
		<dc:creator>LK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about alcohol, which typically leaves the body very quickly? A student could get wasted every Friday night but be &quot;clean&quot; in time for Monday morning drug tests. They don&#039;t seem to be testing for alcohol, but if things are the same as they were when I went to SMHS, that&#039;s what most of the kids are doing on the weekends - especially the &quot;popular&quot; athletes. And there are other drugs that can also be metabolized and leave the body very quickly, like cocaine. 

I wonder how effective this truly is at both catching and deterring drug use. Perhaps the low rate of positives previously seen was a result of more kids drinking alcohol than doing meth or PCP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about alcohol, which typically leaves the body very quickly? A student could get wasted every Friday night but be &#8220;clean&#8221; in time for Monday morning drug tests. They don&#8217;t seem to be testing for alcohol, but if things are the same as they were when I went to SMHS, that&#8217;s what most of the kids are doing on the weekends &#8211; especially the &#8220;popular&#8221; athletes. And there are other drugs that can also be metabolized and leave the body very quickly, like cocaine. </p>
<p>I wonder how effective this truly is at both catching and deterring drug use. Perhaps the low rate of positives previously seen was a result of more kids drinking alcohol than doing meth or PCP.</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skeptical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If testing is a deterrent to a child with a problem, it is a deterrent to participation.  Yet participation is an answer to those kids with problems, so I don&#039;t want to deter participation.  

Plus, throwing in UIL academic should make this unconstitutional.  The supreme court opinion upholding random testing of kids relied upon the fact that student athletes showered together to mean they had less of an expectation of privacy.  The debate team shouldn&#039;t be showering together, so they should still have an expectation of privacy (and respect).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If testing is a deterrent to a child with a problem, it is a deterrent to participation.  Yet participation is an answer to those kids with problems, so I don&#8217;t want to deter participation.  </p>
<p>Plus, throwing in UIL academic should make this unconstitutional.  The supreme court opinion upholding random testing of kids relied upon the fact that student athletes showered together to mean they had less of an expectation of privacy.  The debate team shouldn&#8217;t be showering together, so they should still have an expectation of privacy (and respect).</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Narvaez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach Narvaez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the  San Marcos CISD trustees should also be tested &quot;randomly&quot; to ensure our community leaders are actually practicing what they preach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the  San Marcos CISD trustees should also be tested &#8220;randomly&#8221; to ensure our community leaders are actually practicing what they preach.</p>
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