25 thoughts on “Commentary: Why campus carry?”

1. This is a terrible idea. As someone whose taught college classes, including at Texas State, I don’t want students to be armed. They get angry enough as it is when their grades are not what they want them to be. I don’t care if it’s only the 21-yr olds that can have guns.

   Besides, campus police is more than qualified to handle disturbances on campus. Spend a few more bucks and hire a few more officers if you want to protect college students.

   I was in the military and handled more than enough weapons in my lifetime. I seriously doubt the 10-15 classroom hours of instruction would provide the kind of training needed to respond to something like a deranged shooter. So they passed a test in a firing range. Have they fired accurately while under fire themselves in a stressful situation, seeing people get shot? That takes much more training. In an indoor, densely crowded setting, someone trying to neutralize the shooter could just as easily injure or kill others. The would-be hero might miss or his weapon misfire. That could just turn the deranged shooters attention to themselves and those close by. I wouldn’t trust myself in that situation, and I’m experienced with weapons.

   Texas’s concealed carry laws are sufficient as is. Armed students, faculty, or staff would just as likely make a deadly situation more deadly than the other way around. I would feel less safe. College campuses ARE NOT appropriate settings for weapons besides those of authorized licensed safety officers.

2. I agree with Aaron. Let’s just put an armed officer in every single classroom. As a college student who has a CHL, that’d make me feel a bit safer.

   If that’s not going to be feasible for every campus & they cannot guarantee my safety in the classroom, then I’m pretty sure I’ll go with Senator Wentworth’s plan, and not relinquish my 2nd amendment rights at the classroom door.

   I’ll admit, I haven’t fired in as stressful a situation as one of the campus massacres we’ve had happen in our country. However, I also know that you’re guaranteed to miss every shot you DON’T take–whether it’s by choice or by having that right to defend yourself stripped away by legislators. Personally, I have kids I want to go home to after my class is finished.

   And the argument that an instructor would feel unsafe due to his licensed CHL’d students? A student who is that unstable is not going to be affected by whether or not he/she has a CHL, and most likely is not ever going to be able to qualify, or be willing to go through the process of obtaining one. There may be students that are just that volatile already carrying in your classroom, whether you are aware of it or not–and should they snap, you just might find that one of those law-abiding CHL students could make the difference between your living and dying.

   In short, just because one person doesn’t trust their judgement/proficiency enough to be able to protect themselves, don’t take away that right from those of us who do! I’d like to have a fighting chance at life, especially, like I said–I have kids at home that need their mom.

3. Aaron,
   I too serve in the military. As a CHL holder and public school teacher, I support the rights to defend oneself. I find it absurd that someone thinks someone would pull a weapon on a teacher because of unhappiness about grades. That’s what the psych profile is for. Drunken folks at a frat party drawing a gat? It’s illegal to carry when under the influence. Too many people in a crowd for someone to shoot accurately? I tell you that in an active shooter scenario, my first concern is getting the hell out of the immediate area. Only if the gunman is in my way is my weapon coming into play. Only when being lined up and executed am I going to shoot. Only if I have a clear shot is this even an issue. Worried about people being uncomfortable around me knowing I’m carrying? It’s a CONCEALED handgun. Even mentioning that I have it is illegal and grounds for revocation of my license. I already leave myself vulnerable in sporting events, churches, on the campus I teach, and other places. The bad guys still carry and still shoot. So long as there’s a threat, I’m prepared. Telling people like me, my girlfriend, and those who have been accosted at night on their way from class to their car by convicted sex offenders (happened to my friend) that they have to be DEFENSELESS because somebody else might be uncomfortable? When you need them most, the Texas State police are only a few minutes away. I went there; I know. Ask the victims from VA Tech. It’s like that everywhere. The police can’t be everywhere. I will not support tax and tuition increases so that they can be. I have a right as a human- and American- to defend myself.
   I have smoke detectors and fire extinguishers in my house in case it catches fire. It never has before, and probably never will. But just in case, I’m trained in its uses and when not to employ it, how to store it, etc. The same for my concealed handgun. To think you’re safe because you’re in a “gun-free” zone is at the very least ignorant and at most devastatingly careless and inviting someone to take free shots at defenseless individuals.
   I REFUSE to be defenseless. Maybe it’s because I lived 5 miles from the infamous Luby’s and 10 miles from Fort Hood. Maybe it’s because an active shooter blew away a cashier at a store I was at five minutes earlier. Maybe it’s because I know people who have been shot, stabbed, sexually assaulted, or otherwise had their CIVIL RIGHTS violated by bad guys, sometimes to the extent that they can never recover.
   You don’t have to carry a weapon. You never have to know the guy or gal next to you is carrying. But when, Heaven forbid, one of them saves your life or that of someone you know or love, you’ll know I’m not some gun-toting war-monger who loves violence. I have one weapon, I practice with it a few times per month, and I hope I never have to use it. That is how most Texans with a CHL feel. Educate yourself. You’re a teacher and a vet; think like one.

4. 1.Concealed handguns are not an effective form of self-defense. A Nov. 2009 peer-reviewed study published in the American Journal of Public Health by Charles Branas, PhD, et al. found that someone carrying a gun for self-defense was 4.5 times more likely to be shot during an assault than an assault victim without a gun. Attackers often surprise victims, making it difficult to use a concealed handgun. [11]

   2.”Shall-issue” laws lead to increases in the rates of rape, robbery, and violent crime. A 1995 peer-reviewed study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology by David McDowall, PhD, et al. of five urban cities found that gun homicide rates increased an average of 4.5% following the enactment of “shall-issue” laws. [12] A May 2009 peer-reviewed study by Yale professors Ian Ayres, PhD, and John Donohue, PhD, that appeared in the Econ Journal Watch found that “shall-issue” laws increased aggravated assault (149 KB) between 1977 and 2006. [33] Several researchers have found substantial flaws in the methodology of a landmark 1998 study by John Lott, PhD, and David Mustard, PhD, which claimed that more guns means less crime.

   3.The ability to carry a concealed handgun is not a right granted by the US Constitution. The Second Amendment provides for citizens to bear arms for universal military obligation and a well-regulated militia, not for personal carry.

   4.Carrying a concealed handgun increases the chances of a confrontation escalating and turning lethal. The chances of a handgun being used inappropriately increase when normally responsible adults are intoxicated, tired, afraid, or untrained in conflict resolution. [13]

   5.Responsible adults can still be a threat to public safety if they are armed. Between 1996 and 2000, the Violence Policy Center found that concealed handgun permit holders in Texas were arrested for weapon-related offenses at a rate 81% higher than the general Texas population (149 KB) . [34] Between May 2007 and Mar. 24, 2010, at least nine law enforcement officers and 142 private citizens were killed nationally by concealed handgun permit holders (approximately 0.003% of all murders in that time period). [14] [15]

   6.The concealed carrying of handguns increases the likelihood of unintended shootings taking place. According to a July 2001 peer-reviewed study appearing in Accident Analysis and Prevention by Matthew Miller, PhD, Deborah Azrael, PhD, and David Hemenway, PhD, approximately 50 people are unintentionally shot each day in America and a child under 15 years of age dies every other day from unintended gunfire. [16]

   7.Carrying concealed handguns increases the risk of suicide because one-third to four-fifths of all suicide attempts are impulsive and carrying a handgun gives individuals the means to act on their impulses. Suicide attempts involving firearms are more likely to be fatal. In 2005, 53% of all suicides in the US involved a firearm (205 KB) , resulting in an average of 46 suicides from guns each day. Suicide is the second-leading cause of death among Americans 40 years of age or younger. [35]

   8.Criminals are more likely to arm themselves with firearms if they suspect that victims may also be armed. Felons report that they often carry firearms to deter victims from resisting. [17] A victim drawing a gun during an attack sends a signal to the offender that more force must be used to overpower the victim during an attack.

   9.Adults who carry concealed handguns are often inadequately trained. Some states do not require any hands-on training before receiving a concealed carry permit. Public safety should be left to trained police officers who are less likely to shoot innocent bystanders.

   10.Responsible adults with concealed handguns make it more difficult for police to distinguish criminals from ordinary citizens and to identify perpetrators during a shooting.

   11.Carrying concealed handguns needlessly intimidates other citizens. Police frequently receive calls from customers at stores who feel threatened and less safe when another customer is said to be armed.
   -go to concealedguns.ProCon.org for resource references

   Insofar, as always leaning on the 2nd Amendment, personal carry is certainly not a well-regulated militia. Concealed carry takes it even further up the escalator and amounts to no more than a pissing contest amongst those who are acutely aware with their radar/magnet for violence.

   Where have all the peace-loving Christians/Jews/Muslims/Buddhists gone? Gone to graveyards everyone? When will we ever learn?

   On the other hand, if you are in favor of speeding up the Darwinian solution to the myriad problems that humans have created, then by all means, lock and load.

5. You guys are making this into a macho thing. I don’t know what your military experience was, but I can probably out-macho you both. Your overconfident attitudes about your own skills are fine for internet comments, but not when lives are at stake. At close range martial arts or other self-defense techniques are just as effective as a handgun. The most likely outcome of using your own firearm for “defense” in a crowded place will just make a bad situation worse. Even soldiers and police officers make mistakes, so I have that much less confidence in the average citizen under snap pressure. You don’t have the right to further endanger others because you feel better at all times and all places with a weapon. Even if I armed myself in class I can’t imagine a scenario where I would be able to use my weapon safely; there’s too many other people around. So it’s useless for me to have it on campus. Multiple armed people in a class could just as easily turn into a melee instead of “saving lives.”

   I’m all for people’s rights to own firearms, and even to conceal them on their person ie: some of the situations you mention, but on any kind of school campus it’s inappropriate. The appropriateness is WHY you can’t carry it in churches, schools, and sporting events… in the latter two those places are supposed to have adequate institutionalized security. If there are criminals accosting people on a college campus that is a law enforcement issue, not a 2nd amendment issue.

6. “. The appropriateness is WHY you can’t carry it in churches”

   Ummm hate to break the news to you, In all the churches I’ve been to in Texas which start with a B and end in aptist, either the Pastor, or the Deacons, or both are armed, along with many in the congregation.

   After the church shootings, Texas law allowed church carry, and there really has been no problems since then.

7. “The most likely outcome of using your own firearm for “defense” in a crowded place will just make a bad situation worse”

   You can’t show one incident where that occurred .. ever, right?

   “Even if I armed myself in class I can’t imagine a scenario where I would be able to use my weapon safely; there’s too many other people around.”

   I’ve been in one, so I’ll share. The armed “bad guys” had us lay on the floor, so we’d be shooting upwards if we shot, not across the floor. The “bad guys” were standing. The “bad guys” were talked out of executing us, but the girls at the Yogurt shop in Austin weren’t so lucky.

   “At close range martial arts or other self-defense techniques are just as effective as a handgun.”

   John Woods who attended Virginia Tech disagrees, he lost two martial arts students at Virginia Tech, Several people tried to stop Cho. John posts under the screen name “Mohawk-Jophn” if you want to verify it. http://www.dailytexanonline.com/content/protect-our-classrooms

   “Two of my martial arts students died in the Virginia Tech shooting;”

   Yes, I would think that martial arts would not be useful against someone with a gun.

8. “1.Concealed handguns are not an effective form of self-defense. ”
   you must not watch the news?
   Here’s only a few recent examples in the last weeks
   http://thearmedcitizen.com/wp/category/armed

   “2.”Shall-issue” laws lead to increases in the rates of rape, robbery, and violent crime. A 1995… ”
   You seriously need to update your statistical data, but that works against your argument if you do.

   “3.The ability to carry a concealed handgun is not a right granted by the US Constitution.”
   You may want to review recent case law too.

   “4.Carrying a concealed handgun increases the chances of a confrontation escalating and turning lethal.”
   Texas law requires training in DEescalation prior to issuing a handgun license, but yeah, it could be lethal for armed attackers, and as the Sheriff of San Antonio said after an armed home invader was shot “Burglars should think first ‘This might be the last house I break into'”

   “5.Responsible adults can still be a threat to public safety if they are armed. Between 1996 and 2000, the Violence Policy Center…”
   You need to get more recent stats, from a reliable source such as the DPS, here’s an update for you: http://www.texasshooting.com/blog/

   “8.Criminals are more likely to arm themselves with firearms if they suspect that victims may also be armed.”
   The 7 robbers who held me at gunpoint before I should have asked their reasons for carrying, though I was unarmed at those times, as it was prior to any licensing, so I think this is a mere supposition, disproved by the fact that no one could legally carry back then, except of course, criminals.

   “9.Adults who carry concealed handguns are often inadequately trained. Some states do not require…”
   Good thing Texas does then right?

   “10.Responsible adults with concealed handguns make it more difficult for police to distinguish criminals from ordinary citizens and to identify perpetrators during a shooting.”
   That used to be a fear, but Ray Hunt, the 2nd vice-president of the Houston Police Officers’ Union.

   He confirmed that Andy Cerota’s news report was “Right on the money” and that he was fine with being quoted as such. It said “he spoke out in favor of legalizing licensed concealed carry (of handguns) on Texas college campuses and dismissed the notion that the presence of armed citizens would somehow cause chaos or confusion during or following a campus shooting.”

   He also mentioned that the union had been originally fairly anti-CHL, fearing shootings of CHL-holders by police amongst other things. Upon seeing that that hadn’t occurred at all, they were happy to throw their support behind the concept of CHL in general, and they now specifically support concealed-carry on campus.

   “11.Carrying concealed handguns needlessly intimidates other citizens.”
   It doesn’t at the bank, movies, at the State Fair of Texas, in Church, nor at sxsw concerts around 65,000 people a day at outdoor concerts at Zilker Park in Austin. Concealed is concealed.

   “personal carry is certainly not a well-regulated militia”
   You must not have caught the meaning of the Second Amendment historically, and it’s relationship to the Third Amendment, so I’ll attempt to teach here:
   No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

   How would an owner, not wanting to give consent, resist armed soldiers in the militia?

   A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

   See the relationship now? The Second recognized a basic right of self defense, it didn’t restrict you to only defending yourself at home, since yo could be taken hostage elsewhere, and forced to quarter soldiers etc..

   If you value life, especially that of yours and your loved ones, you should be prepared to protect it, rather than try and delegate that responsibility, because the Court said in Warren V. DC, that Police have no duty to protect individuals.

9. Aaron, is an airborne qualified Infantry officer good enough for you?

   Sniper, you must learn to do your own research and just not feed at the trough of the Brady bunch and ilk. Every “point” you made has been shown to be from a study that was incomplete, biased or flawed. Read some of their “supporting” data, such as the actual crime statistics, and you’ll see how badly screwed their conclusion are.

   Just for a start, quite often during a shooting, all parties including CHL holders, will be taken into custody, then when it’s determined that it was a justified self-defense shooting, the individual will be released. The Violence Policy Center counts this as an arrest. If you’ll look at the actual crime statistics for CHL holders (available on the DPS web site) you’ll see that crime amongst CHL holders is a fraction of that of the general population.

   As far as Dr. Branas perhaps you missed this:
   “Several statisticians, however, called this conclusion a stretch, and questioned whether the Penn group could account for all differences between the shooting victims and the comparison group.”

   And
   “University of Chicago’s Ludwig said while he thought the Penn paper had merit, it wasn’t informative enough to be used to shape policies such as handgun bans. “This sort of paper captures only part of the benefits and costs of having lots of guns floating around,” he said.”

   And many more at: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/10/does_carrying_a_gun_make_you_s.html

   I only have a BS in Psy but one thing I did learn, the first part of getting a peer review is finding a peer group that’s likely to agree with your premise.

   While I’d love to take the time to point out the fallacies in all your points, I have other things I must do beside educate you on the finer points of research. Have a safe day.

10. Jay, like I said, we don’t need to try to out-macho each other. I did my time and fair share of combat duty. As a result I abhor violence.

    Things are a lot different when you’re actually in a line of fire rather than just thinking about it. Again, you miss and that shooter’s now trained right on you.

    Good Lord, people, even in the old west folks had to check their guns at the door in certain situations. A school campus is not an appropriate setting, period. I’m mostly on your side with the gun issue, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. Where I draw that line is in schools. I found out not long after I wrote my last post that you can indeed pack heat in church. I consider that immensely inappropriate; my mother would slap me for bringing a gun in church, but the law allows it I guess. I used to not like having to bring my weapon into the chapel when I was on deployment.

    We can employ our dueling statistics and “what if” scenarios all day, obviously it won’t convince anyone. This is TX and odds are you will get your way. There are many ways to prepare a campus community for a possible shooting; simple awareness on the part of the students, faculty and staff would go farther than allowing guns on campus. University of Wisconsin system implemented some sort of training.

    This seems to me like protecting people on campus is not the real issue here, the odds of a school shooting are too low. I mean, you have one guy using the 1991 Austin yogurt shop murders as an argumentative point. No one really knows what exactly happened there.

    The issue here is extending the 2nd amendment right to cover basically all places at all times, so apparently one’s right to bear arms is nigh-unlimited. Rights are not unlimited, even your freedom of speech is limited.

11. Aaron,
    We agree on most. It’s not cool to play the “Don’t be macho, but if you did I’d win” card, since it seems both Jay and I are Infantry officers who have (apparently) done our time as well. I think the three of us can respect the fact that we all know what we’re talking about, and can leave it at that.
    I had forgotten that I could carry in a church. I do not, but that will change now that I know I can.
    Like I said earlier, I never plan on using or exposing my handgun. The only time a classmate knew I had one was when I picked her up to take her to the library to work on an assignment. As we got out of the car, I took it out of my holster and placed it into my glovebox. I’d love to know which is more detrimental- me carrying in a library (on campus) or leaving it in a glovebox where a car burglar may find it.
    I think this whole issue is whether or not people understand the topic in its entirety, understand exactly what a CHL is, what is required to obtain one, and finally (and possibly most importantly), WHAT IS IT USED FOR. As I previously stated, there is no guarantee that I would use it even if I was in the Luby’s, or on Ft Hood, or at VA Tech, etc. But if it came down to me and some other ass with a bullet cannon walking away, I’m going home at the end of the day.
    “But you might hit an innocent person!” I chose my handgun to conceal carefully, finding a caliber that penetrates but does not fly through, so that I don’t hit little Cindy when she’s behind the boogie man. I chose a round that provides stopping power, so I do not have to fire more than two shots to bring a bad guy down, minimizing the lead exposure to other citizens. Unfortunately, I also had to choose a handgun with the grip a tad too small so that i wouldn’t print (or show the outline of my handgun) when I bent over. Either way, I fire about 100 rounds a week and even perform reflexive fire, just like a Soldier at a range. I’m proficient. I think about situation. I maintain my weapon’s functions and ensure I will not mistreat my weapon. The only times that I am unarmed is when on a campus or when drinking. Most CHL holders are on the same sheet of music. Hell, a large percentage are veterans. I forgot where I got that statistic, but I found it a while back looking at the amount of people who pay the 50% veteran discount. Look it up- have a ball.
    Enough of this. I’m not coming back to this thread, since it takes too long to type a reply. I have my beliefs, and you have yours. We’ll vote on our leaders, and they’ll vote how they see fit. Hopefully my horse comes in first on this issue- it’s one of the few that really can mean life or death to me.

12. Where I mainly disagree is whether or not to draw the line at schools. Good luck to you and I hope you’re right.

13. Also I think if you leave your weapon in your car it’s supposed to have a lock on it? Not sure on that.

14. Aaron, you are certainly entitled to your opinion of what is appropriate for you and where.

    I prefer that myself, and my family have a chance to defend ourselves everywhere we go. And when I must be separated from the kids, I want someone capable of protecting them nearby, rather than “minutes away” as the Police are, since Government studies show the majority of the time Faculty/Staff are “first responders” at lower level educational institutions, and at colleges Students/faculty/staff are.

    Guns are the solution to defending ones self against gun violence.

    John Woods, attended Virginia Tech when cho shot people.

    John lost 2 Martial Arts students to Cho. Martial arts isn’t a match against an armed attacker.

    As I said, Government compiled reports show that the majority of the time, Students and staff/faculty are the “first responders” much like bystanders were in Tucson.

    Of course, Jared in Tucson used those “foot-long” magazines which were easier to grab, whereas Cho used short “regular sized” magazines which were impossible to grab. So, Colin Goddard played possum and relied on the decision of Cho to let him liver or not. Soon, those “foot-long” magazines may be banned, so we’ll be under the same conditions as Virginia Tech, or Luby’s or other places shooters used short magazines which were faster to reload and impossible to grab thanks to legislators trying to prescribe a cure prior to performing a diagnosis.

15. “if you leave your weapon in your car it’s supposed to have a lock on it?”

    My doors lock.

16. I know people who live on campus with an AK-47 in their trunk, the trunk locks too.

17. It’s already legal for licensees to carry concealed handguns “on campus”, just not inside buildings

    And as long as it isn’t “disorderly conduct” it’s legal to carry a rifle or shotgun on campus, just not inside buildings.

    I’d just rather not leave my pistol in the car after carrying it all day, when going to class at night.

18. I feel it’s more likely that someone may break into my car and steal my pistol, than anyone reaching into my pants in a classroom to steal it. (If you saw me, you’d doubt anyone would reach into my pants in a classroom, or anywhere else for that matter, to steal my gun I mean.)

19. FYI, if you take the time to read John Woods article, you will see that he DOES NOT recommend concealed carry on campus. Having spoken to an officer who was first on the scene that day at VA tech, I would have to agree with his analysis.

    Cheers. Be safe.

20. Out of 395 fatalities occurring at a family home where a gun was present, suicide accounted for 333 cases (84%); 41 were domestic violence homicides, and 12 were accidents, while only nine were shootings of an intruder.
    -Kellermann A. Guns for safety? Dream on Scalia. The Washington Post. June 29, 2008. Page B02

    It doesn’t matter what year you pull your data from, it is always the same – more guns available equals more deaths. The correlation is astounding, especially for suicides.

    someothername, like, John Wayne or Harry Callahan, perhaps? Listen dude, it’s nothing personal. I just don’t want the other Tom, Dick and Harry who are not so responsible either shooting their wife or having their kid use their guns. Statistics are statistics despite whatever personal or political feelings you might have for being able to keep your gun cocked next to your beating heart.

    Gun control is needed in this country. Even one death by accidental discharge is too many. I think we can all agree the numbers are much higher than that. The Ford Pinto killed a lot less people and produced more media coverage than the number of suicides that occur by gunshot every day.

21. Excuse me…I need to correct my comment It should say ” having spoken to the wife of an officer”. Too quick to click!

    Regardless, I agree that more weapons are not the answer.

22. I read an account given by a man in the recent Tucson shooting. He had his gun with him (Arizona allows unconcealed guns) and heard shooting nearby. He ran to the scene – and came very close to shooting one of the men who had just taken down the assassin. It was the people in the crowd shouting “no, he’s not the one” that prevented yet another useless tragedy.

    While we might firmly believe that we would do the right thing in such a situation – it’s going to be very difficult for someone who ever makes such a mistake and kills an innocent person.

    I once qualified for a concealed hang gun permit. After thinking over what might really happen, I decided not to submit my application. I just don’t have the training that law enforcement receives with respect to deadly force. And even they make tragic mistakes at times. I will just have to find some other way to be resourceful in surviving if I ever find myself in such a situation.

23. Sure, Jeff. The creepy thought that someone else in the room might have a pistol, so that’s gonna make a deranged person decide to become sane. Right. You posturing jerk.

24. I really, really, really!!!! Wish people would stop twisting and turning this into things it is not.

    Facts:
    1)This isn’t about campus security, its about personal defense and not having to give that up in order to get an education. We have no interest in securing the campus. Just our safety and lives, and anyone who happens to be close enough to us to benefit as well.

    2) Along the lines of campus security. No one wants to be batman. CHL holders are FULLY aware of the dangers of being seen with a gun on campus during an active shooter situation. We want only to be able to defend ourselves like we do almost everywhere else right now.

    3) Almost everywhere else in our country allows licensed gun holders to carry there. The colleges that DO allow concealed carry have had NO issues with it in over 60 semesters.

    4) It doesn’t matter if you don’t feel comfortable with it. It doesn’t matter if you don’t agree with it. You being scared about what MIGHT happen (and thats the only arguments that side uses) does not give you the right to make a decision making people choose between education and self defense.

    And please quit whining about how you don’t want to arm college students because you would be afraid to give them a bad grade. That is a bullcrap excuse and you know it. If you piss a kid off so bad by giving him a bad grade that he is going to shoot you. He won’t go get a CHL before he does it just so he can be legal up to the doorway. Thats so illogical I cannot believe and actually professor would post it.

25. “It doesn’t matter if you don’t feel comfortable with it. It doesn’t matter if you don’t agree with it.”

    Wow, there are a large number of things I wish I could use this argument for. How about universal health care or gay marriage? Would you accept the “force it down your throat” argument for those issues you’ve just given for campus carry?

    You CHL holders are really defensive aren’t you? Maybe that’s why you feel the need to carry weapons with you every single place you go.

    Maybe I’ll apply for one just so I can be self-righteous. Not that I’d ever use it.

    Schools are supposed to be non-violent places. I don’t want more weapons on them, period. I don’t care how much better they make you feel or how naked you are without one. Concealed carry is not part of the 2nd amendment, but you folks are determined to make the 2nd amendment unlimited.